The building was originally Faith United Methodist Church since 1968 and in January of . This is the right thing according to Matthew 18, a teaching emphasized in the intentional-community churches Ive been part of since reaching adulthood but not in the evangelical ones I grew up with. (Take a gander at the Sermon on the Mount if youre puzzled.) We see it most clearly in closed communities like Scientology, or in cults like Jonestown or the Branch Davidians, or among fundamentalist churches like Westboro Baptist. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. Did FMCUSA release ANC because of their stance on gay marriage? Only In Christ can brotherly love or sisterly trust take place. Please, let me say that back to you and you tell me if thats what you said. A Loving response: Youre right this issue is important to me, but attacking somebody is never okay, and is not Christ-like. Sin is sin is sin. I hope your waitisnt suggesting Jesus once chased people with a whip. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you, so that at the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. My mind was changed BECAUSE of my seriousness of the Word, not in spite of it. Focus on immaterial things PromotingSuppressing.Isolatin Yet, I find myself sobbing in my back yard as I listen, hoping no one hears . Is one sin worse than another? We are all sinners, in need of Christs help every day, and the church should be helping people OUT of sin, whatever that sin is (including but not only just homosexuality) by prayer and loving guidance. Its not biblical. Jesus was not harsh with sinners; His only harsh words were for wayward religious leaders. I know I will forever be grateful to God for the two years I had at that church and the people I met that changed my life for the better. The demon gods demanded it, though. But how about Jesus teaching, He who is without sin, cast the first stone? You hear disagreement and immediately assume it is a voice of bloodlust and anger and vengeance, and its easy to avoid the weight of the Bible when you can just write off any reasoned appeal from Scripture as a a bigoted response from a close-minded fiend. But we cant condone sin. You may think Im saying all this to be divisive or undermine Scripture. Any more specific position is an interpretation.. He encouraged the person to stop sinningmaybe because of His love for people, knowing that sin hurts the personnot because Jesus was focused on condemning sin. One conservative blogger referred to wounded wolves who prey on their followers to lead them astray. Many are calling it out. After all, its one of the Ten Commandments. I have seen the same kind of thing happen to people very dear to me too. Important conversations, yes, but the Holy Spirit is the one that convicts and leads us into truth, not emotion, not anger, not verbal tirades. Be assured that you were persecuted for all the right reasons and God had control of the outcome! RELIGION ACTIONS of the individual, Instead of: Established in 2008. Such a natural fit. Yours just ignoring the facts otherwise. Surely, if you think a person is guilty of teaching or promoting heresy your primary motivation would be to want to correct that person and restore them to orthodox faith. I teach others as well publically that drinking alcohol in moderation is not sin. thanks, Yes, and you should NEVER chase them with a whip. church and others. But you miss the third part of Jesus statement regarding how to deal with the one who sins against you. Yes, an email, phone call, face-to-face communication is the first step, and inviting third parties (two or three witnesses) is the second step. We should love every one but never condone sin. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person. Or are you making the point that its ok to be harsh because of Jesus example at the temple? This is a really big deal to members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. And she calls herself a Christian!. These people who destroyed the church, still kept their homes, their jobs, while me and my entire staff were left picking up the pieces to start our lives over again. And Im not suggesting that religious leaders shouldnt debate and discuss their concerns when members (or fellow leaders) appear to contradict or challenge these beliefs. Its crazy to speculate what Jesus would or would not approve of if he didnt specifically speak about it. stop doing it. Speaking of salvation, how does baptism fit into that? And I think the fact that evangelicals seem to focus on one prominent dissenter at a time, making an example of that person by public mockery and critique is cruel and unbecoming. TP: Tray Pruitt, founding pastor and elder at ANC So there is no middle ground here. There was ample time before their opinions were made public to meet with mentors and leaders to understand that what they say may not be well received. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person. I normally see this belief system among my fellow women and with weak men. Its not what you say but when and how you communicate it. Im not trying to bait you or flame you or troll you or whatever. Whether you're an old member or visiting for the first time we want you to know you that ALL are welcome at the Congregational Church of Austin. They believe that in order to be saved, you have to be baptizedits a requirement. Hi Mike, whilst there is much you write I disagree with, your comment here is excellent. Austin Butler, Angela Bassett, Viola Davis, 'The Banshees of Inisherin' and 'Better Call Saul' were among the surprise snubs from the 2023 SAG Awards. Of course homosexuality us wrong-its everywhere in the Bible. 1,832 were here. Since I dont know, Id ask a few questions in return Original post: The Church is judgmentally and systematically abusing people within the Church for issues that are not central to the Gospel this needs to stop! This is not about Trump. But we have GRACE. Thank you for being my intellectual superior and calling me out on that. Not someones opinion who, based on the limited comments on this post, appear to be more than a little arrogant. Of course, most us common folk dont have Jens email [or Rob Bells, or others], but I appreciate the way you make yourself accessible via social media. Share. Eternally wrong. I know that my Jesus has chosen and includes me. But why does the pendulum have to swing to the other side on this, blatantly disregarding some of the approaches Jesus took and instead taking a hippie approach? As a pastor I realize that people in churches are now being taught the meaning of the Bible mainly on-line, through sermons, blogs, tv shows, and books, probably more than personal dialogue on Sunday mornings or in small groups, or over coffee with me or other leaders, whose ministries are disciple-making. is that documented somewhere? The more I read the bible and the less I listen to others takes on it, the more I see how many people believe in manmade ideas. Why because no where in the Bible does it say it is okay. Where is your compassion? Thanks, Mike. Approach them directly; raise your concerns respectfully; where appropriate and reasonable, invite a third party into the discussion. Deli studied . Sunday, May 28, 2022 Ascension Day. Its not a respectful desire to explore matters of the heart, to find common ground, or to discern a way to live respectfully with differences on non-core beliefs. She knew this was going to be controversial and she chose to go forward because she felt strongly about it. Im sorry, but a gay couple can easily be married and so long as they dont divorce (for any reason save infidelity), theyre obeying GOD. Sin must be known as it is. If youre going to browbeat multiple people with one Bible passage in a public forum, seems like you should actually be quoting the right Scriptures. Am I looking at the letters wrong? Thats harsh to say, though said in love, and that will never not be a heavy thing to hear. . Some people just have a vile hatred of all things Old Testament. 7:30 pm Primary Purpose - IN-PERSON. In her book, Bothered and Bewildered, Ann Morisy identifies healthy religion in the following way: A 2006 Church of England report into the role churches can play in human flourishing found that healthy, life-giving faith will have the following hallmarks: It will enlarge our imagination: by setting the story of our lives in the framework of a much larger story than ourselves which gives our life coherence, meaning, purpose and direction. Then someone should have told that little catchphrase to Jesus when he chased people with a whip and turned over tables. Im both cheered by this article while remaining concerned that we Christians (I dont call myself Evangelical anymore since Trump) arent very deep about our understanding of sexuality and many related topics. "Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'. Im simply asking you to justify the parts of the Bible you either reinterpret or ignore altogether. The C-List celebrity world you pursued comes with its pluses and minuses. JM has stated from the pulpit that JH is his boss. As I said before, EVERYONE deserves respect and for people to be treated bad by parents or anyone else is just wrong-that is not Christian either. Sorry but Jesus said nothing about a man and a woman only, as a matter of you require a man and a woman to make a marriage, no gays allowed they were ASKING him about DIVORCE, and how a man could give a woman a letter and divorce her. I love the teachings and have met all of the offenders you have mentioned. And theyre not always wrong. How would you justify this to a Seventh Day Adventist person? If a writer takes a position which is opposite or in sharp contrast to the majority, that writer will encounter resistance. Our campus is more than just a building where we gather on Sundays. Austin Miniatures Western Church Wild West Cowboys Conte Compatible Marx TSSD. They base their beliefs on Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38 which clearly state that water baptism is part of the salvation equation. I am sure she is a nice lady but you can not say something that is not biblical and then reiterate it and then think that people who are biblical in what what they believe will stand with you. In my email exchange with Jared I got to see the human side of how that feels. My plea to people is, just remember youre talking about a human being. The author thought he had the dream job: pastoring a megachurch. Here are his words to think about while you play gatekeeper over Hatmaker and the others and this topic. Not a single Christian thinks that a repentant sinner should be excluded from the Grace of God that is a strawman argument created by less-than-honest people with an agenda. If so, how will you justify that to him? Jen follows hard after Jesus and she will be okay, no matter what lables are given and what articles are written. Does this however mean that people who are homosexual are not welcome to attend church? Do you? Grace is just as available to her in Christ as it always was, and any believer whose heart HAS in fact been transformed by the love of Jesus and the work of Holy Spirit longs for her to be grounded in truth and to be reconciled. We must as Evangelicals now learn, in the 21st Century, to be at least as good and wise as Nicodemus, who was willing to go to Jesus in private. Because its not showing right now. ANY sex outside of that is morally wrong in Gods eyes. We see thru a glass darkly, weve all got mud in our eyes.that only Jesus can remove. http://www.sptsusa.org/not-my-kid/. In my view, heresy is anything that keeps someone from falling into the arms of Jesus and His grace. Of course not! Updated August 18, 2020 So, what does healthy religion look like? But the start of this topic was about error in teaching. This story is similar in human history bully and stifle and corner disparate voices, rewrite the narrative to fit your position. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sex sins, and marries another, is guilty of sex sins in marriage. Who are you to decide that gay people need to live lonely lives.who cant even have a friend of the same sex because, heaven forbid, they might fall in love with them? Never about homosexuality. Maybe in those days that was considered finding common ground.. Stop posting if you wish to avoid correction or unfounded hatred. But I know that God is on His throne and showing us the true Kingdom at hand, and it doesnt look like what we thought it would. Increasingly, 140 characters on twitter are used to express quite nuanced positions. However, one thing Jesus never did was condone their sin. On her Instagram page, Hatmaker posted touching photos from Austin Pride Week, with the caption: "My beloved little church went downtown to the #AustinPrideParade and gave out Free Mom Hugs, Free Dad Hugs, Free Grana Hugs, and Free Pastor Hugs like it was our paying jobs. May we always err on the side of communication, love, respect, etc and not get caught up in the polarizing world of binary options of your evil, Im good. When we do, we just contribute to the brokenness of the world, and Jesus continues to weep over our pettiness. Its a difficult place to beI feel like Im losing my home. It all matters, but, just sayin Homosexuality isnt the only sin there are other sins but since this is the topic here being discussed-Well church is for everyone-its for the sick not the well. Will you explain that that was okay back then but not now? And it was allowed. New Releases THE QUIET GIRL. Yes, they need a public call out on it-otherwise it looks like the rest of the Christian world condones it and unfortunately there are a serious amount of people who are condoning it now and its just wrong just like condoning any other sin. We cant offer the grace of Christ with a lie attached. Man, the irony. both with the questions validity and the proper response. Yet, I am still saved. We need a new class in seminary and Bible schools: Communication 102 Using public media wisely examples from the Gospels and the Epistles. One more question to you all who point fingers to those whose sin ( your word) is public, I want to ask- where is your contrition for shaming others? Youre all false teachers. Pretty much the same thing in Matthew. One isnt exposing anything hidden. Id rather be wrong in affirming my friends who are LGBT than have to attend their funerals because they killed themselves due to the hateful type of rhetoric youve put out here. Self justification can take many forms. Did Jesus condemn homosexualituy? Well, I must share. What has happened to jen is not great! Even if the person you have concerns about isnt known to you personally (a well-known identity like Jen, for example), a private message or email is a far more respectful (and therefore, more effective) means of exchanging views. I dont think so. Its just an error. I had never really heard of Hatmaker before and then I heard she inclusive of same sex relationships. Ive found that people who define things outside of the bigger community of the global Church, through the centuries, have too narrow opinions on Jesus and Pauls teachings. http://bible.com/114/1co.5.10-13.nkjv. No, Jesus didnt specifically say its wrong to deliberately injure yourself, but you cant love your neighbor if you dont love yourself. 19:12). In what universe is she to be held in the same standing as an ordained minister? Does the pushing some people out of Gods Grace, shaming especially the most historically vulnerable, BRING people to faith, into a relationship with the Loving God? Stop making excuses. It was a very objectionable quote that seemed to edge true Christian sex toward BDSM and I felt I had to respond, so as per Matthew 18 I emailed him with my concerns. Shes a blogger. Questions: Lots of talk of RELIGION-not FAITH The Cohen New Works Festival is a biennial celebration of new, bold, risk-taking, future-thinking, cutting-edge, no-holds-barred, adjective-filled, original performance! Jen Hatmaker and her husband, Brandon, pastor Austin New Church in Texas. He poignantly ends the chapter with this true statement, p 263: the only truly biblical stance on homosexuality is limited to rejecting male homosexual sex with the same vehemence as, for example, clothing made from wool and linen mixtures, and to remaining open minded about everything else. Two different categories. If Jen Hatmaker was silent on the issue and started loving on homosexuals, nobody would say anything. TAKE INITIATIVE. Im not saying we should ignore theology that seems to be pushing the boundaries of orthodoxy, but it seems there should be a more gentle attitude when engaging or pushing back on beliefs which concern us. Is this the only story out of the Bible that you know? I Corinthians 5:10-13 NKJV The festival welcomes and encourages artists from any discipline to join us in a week-long celebration of student-led performance. A church plant in 2008, our church has been nomads in a myriad of locations in the South Austin area. Whats funny to me is, Christians like to hold up Jews as the ultimate legalists, but Ive been getting to know some Jews and theyre not, at all. These arguments always boil down to the same thing moving the fence, trying to let some sins be okay and castigating any Christian who holds to orthodoxy. Not worth attempting to reason with. Austin - South 3C. 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